Legislature(2013 - 2014)CAPITOL 106

02/18/2013 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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         HB 87-EXTEND SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICE AGENCY                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:45:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS announced  that the final order of  business would be                                                              
CS FOR HOUSE BILL  NO. 87, "An Act relating to  allocations to the                                                              
special  education  service  agency   and  extending  the  special                                                              
education service agency; and providing for an effective date."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:45:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETE HIGGINS, Alaska  State Legislature,  speaking                                                              
as the  prime sponsor, introduced  HB 87 and recommended  that the                                                              
Special Education  Service  Agency (SESA)  program be extended  to                                                              
June 30,  2021.  He stressed  the importance for having  a service                                                              
that provides  support in a child's  village to help  them develop                                                              
abilities and become functional in the community.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:47:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   P.  WILSON  noted   that  the  auditor's   report                                                              
supports continuance  of the program.  It also  indicates that the                                                              
services  provided are  not available  or  duplicated through  any                                                              
other entity.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:48:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM  STUDLER, Staff,  Representative  Pete  Higgins, Alaska  State                                                              
Legislature,  paraphrased  testimony  from a  prepared  statement,                                                              
which read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
      The Special Education Service Agency (SESA) us a non-                                                                     
      profit organization established by the Alaska State                                                                       
       Legislature in 1986 under Alaska State statute (AS                                                                       
     14.30.600).     SESA's   role  is   to  provide   school                                                                   
     districts   with  training   specific  to  a   student's                                                                   
     disability.     The  availability  of   SESA's  services                                                                   
     allows  students, with  low  incidence disabilities,  to                                                                   
     receive  special   education  services  in   their  home                                                                   
     community  and  keeps  students   with  their  families.                                                                   
     SESA  provided service  to 45 school  districts and  223                                                                   
     students  during  the last  school  year.   During  this                                                                   
     time, SESA  also provided 320 onsite  consultations with                                                                   
     school  districts.    No  other   government  agency  or                                                                   
     private   sector   entity    in   the   State   provides                                                                   
     specialized   assistance   to   school   districts   for                                                                   
     educating students.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     The  Special Education  Service Agency  is scheduled  to                                                                   
     terminate  June  30,  2013.    In  the  opinion  of  the                                                                   
     Legislative   Budget   and   Audit   Committee:      the                                                                   
     termination  date for  this agency  should be  extended.                                                                   
     They recommend  the legislature  extend the  termination                                                                   
     date to  June 30,  2021.  The  Department of Health  and                                                                   
     Social  services  and  The  Department  of  Education  &                                                                   
     Early  Development  both support  the  extension of  the                                                                   
     Sunset date to June 30, 2021.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:51:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRIS  CURTIS,  Legislative Auditor,  Legislative  Audit  Division,                                                              
Legislative  Agencies and  Offices, paraphrased  testimony from  a                                                              
prepared statement,  which read  as follows [original  punctuation                                                              
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  division of  Legislative Audit  conducted a  sunset                                                                   
     review  of the  Special Education  Services Agency  also                                                                   
     known  as SESA  and issued  our report last  year.   The                                                                   
     main  objective of  the audit  was to  determine if  the                                                                   
     agency  was   operating  in  the  public   interest  and                                                                   
     whether its termination date should be extended.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     We conclude  that SESA is serving  a public need  and is                                                                   
     essential in  meeting the Federal law that  requires the                                                                   
     State ensure  that all  children with disabilities  have                                                                   
     available  to them a  free appropriate public  education                                                                   
     that meets  their unique  needs.   SESA serves over  200                                                                   
     students located  in mostly non-urban  locations through                                                                   
     its low incidence disabilities program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     We  recommend extending  SESA's  termination date  until                                                                   
     June  30,   2021.    However,  our   recommendation  for                                                                   
     extension   comes   with  recommendations   to   improve                                                                   
     collaboration and oversight.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     The biggest  issue facing  SESA is  the flat funding  of                                                                   
     its  Low  Incidence  Disability program.    The  funding                                                                   
     level  is set in  statute and  hasn't been increased  in                                                                   
     14  years  thereby  decreasing  the real  value  of  its                                                                   
     budget by  36 percent.   This has  made it difficult  to                                                                   
     hire  qualified  staff.   SESA's  unique  organizational                                                                   
     structure has  left it with no mechanism for  seeking an                                                                   
     increase  to  its  budget during  the  annual  budgetary                                                                   
     process.   SESA's funding  as identified  in the  public                                                                   
     school funding  statute provides  an amount per  student                                                                   
     as  a "not  less  than" amount.   Since  SESA's  funding                                                                   
     comes  from the public  school funding  statutes, it  is                                                                   
     funded through  DEED.  DEED  could ask for  increases as                                                                   
     part of  its annual  budget process  but has chosen  not                                                                   
     to do  so since SESA  reports to the Governor's  Council                                                                   
     on   Disabilities  and   Special   Education  which   is                                                                   
     organizationally   located  within  the   Department  of                                                                   
     Health and  Social Services.   DEED management  does not                                                                   
     consider their  department's responsible  for monitoring                                                                   
     the adequacy of SESA's budget.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     The  Governor's  council  did   support  legislation  to                                                                   
     increase  SESA's during  the past session  but the  bill                                                                   
     was not successful.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In  recommendation No.  1 of  the report,  we hold  DEED                                                                   
     management  accountable  for   monitoring  SESA  because                                                                   
     DEED  is  responsible  for fulfilling  the  federal  law                                                                   
     regarding  special  education.    Because  DEED  is  the                                                                   
     entity   the   ultimately    must   meet   the   federal                                                                   
     requirement, it  should be taking a more active  role in                                                                   
     monitoring  SESA.    We recommend  that DEED  management                                                                   
     and  SESA  management  collaborate  to  ensure  SESA  is                                                                   
     operating and funded as intended by the legislature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     DEED's   commissioner   does    not   agree   with   the                                                                   
     recommendation.   Historically the funding for  SESA has                                                                   
     been a  legislative process  and he sees  no need  for a                                                                   
     change.  DEED  does not want to be held  accountable for                                                                   
     SESA's operations.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     And  we understand  his  viewpoint since  the  oversight                                                                   
     responsibility  for SESA  is  fragmented and  confusing.                                                                   
     Which  brings me to  the Auditor's  Comments section  of                                                                   
     the report.   In the  Auditor's Comments section  of the                                                                   
     report,  we  discuss  SESA's   organizational  structure                                                                   
     which   has   led   to   confusion   as   to   oversight                                                                   
     responsibility for  funding and monitoring SESA.    SESA                                                                   
     is  a  nonprofit  corporation   created  by  statute  to                                                                   
     report  to the  Governor's Council  on Disabilities  and                                                                   
     Special  Education.   It must report  to the  Governor's                                                                   
     Council,  however, the council  does not have  budgetary                                                                   
     authority over  SESA.  As  a component of public  school                                                                   
     funding,   SESA's  main  program,   its  Low   Incidence                                                                   
     Disabilities program, is funded through DEED.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     To   further   complicate   matters,  as   a   nonprofit                                                                   
     corporation, SESA  has its own bylaws and  its own board                                                                   
     of directors.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  Auditor's Comments  Section of  the audit  explains                                                                   
     SESA's  organizational  structure   and  highlights  the                                                                   
     need for  legislative clarification  as to which  entity                                                                   
     should be held accountable.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The  audit contains  a second  recommendation  addressed                                                                   
     to SESA's board  president to revise board  policies and                                                                   
     improve SESA  board oversight.  There has  been a fairly                                                                   
     recent  change in  the executive  director position  and                                                                   
     the  board president  has already  initiated changes  to                                                                   
     help improve oversight.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:55:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.  WILSON  asked  if there  is  concern  for  the                                                              
changes made by  the board president, and whether  the legislature                                                              
should consider any statutory amendments.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  responded that the changes  have not been  audited but                                                              
opined  that  it  appears  the   board  is  moving  in  the  right                                                              
direction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked what the  pros and cons would  be for                                                              
placing  SESA under  the purview  of the  Department of  Education                                                              
and Early Development (EED).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS  answered that the examination  of that option  was not                                                              
part of  the audit.   She clarified  that the  audit was  based on                                                              
the eleven sunset  criteria, required by statute,  to evaluate the                                                              
agency.   It has been  concluded that the  agency serves  a public                                                              
need and specific issues were identified for further scrutiny.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS  opined that oversight  is best served when  one foot                                                              
is in each department.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.   WILSON  agreed,  and  conjectured   that  the                                                              
department would  be challenged to incorporate funding  for a non-                                                              
profit  organization.   She suggested  that  the required  reports                                                              
from SESA  be provided to  both the governor's  office as  well as                                                              
EED.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:58:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON addressed the  topic of accountability  and                                                              
opined that requiring diversified reporting can result in non-                                                                  
accountability, stating  "...when the buck doesn't  stop anywhere,                                                              
it's easy  to push it  off onto somebody else."   He asked  if one                                                              
of the identified  concerns is the lack of one  state agency being                                                              
held accountable.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. CURTIS said  accountability is spread out, and  EED has a role                                                              
regarding  funding  and  oversight  of  some  planning  documents.                                                              
Additionally, the  non-profit board seats  a member of  EED staff.                                                              
However, statute  separates responsibility between  agencies.  The                                                              
department's  response to  the audit highlighted  that any  change                                                              
to  the low  incidence disabilities  budget requires  a change  in                                                              
statute  and   is  addressed  through  the   legislative  process.                                                              
During   the   previous  legislature,   the   governor's   council                                                              
introduced legislation but it was not successful.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:00:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX commented  that "a  bureaucratic mess"  has                                                              
ensued and  suggested returning to  the drawing board  to consider                                                              
redesign options.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:01:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK  PILLAI,  Executive Director,  Special  Education  Service                                                              
Agency (SESA), introduced his presentation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:02:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:02 a.m. to 9:04 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PILLAI provided  a video illustrating the work  of the program                                                              
in various Alaskan  school locations, to demonstrate  the outreach                                                              
work performed throughout the state by SESA.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:11:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease at 9:11 a.m.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PILLAI  paraphrased  the agency's  mission  statement,  which                                                              
read:   SESA  provides consultation  and training  to support  the                                                              
unique   educational  needs   of  individuals   and  the   Alaskan                                                              
communities  that   serve  them.     He  then  provided   a  brief                                                              
background  of the  program, to  state  that SESA  was created  in                                                              
1986   as   a   not-for-profit   corporation   to   meet   federal                                                              
requirements  of  Individuals  with   Disabilities  Education  Act                                                              
(IDEA).     Together   with  EED,   SESA  worked   to  create   an                                                              
infrastructure,  in  accordance  with  session  laws,  to  satisfy                                                              
objectives for  providing a public  education to  individuals with                                                              
low incidence  disabilities via  a cadre of itinerant  specialists                                                              
working  throughout  the  school  districts with  an  emphasis  on                                                              
rural  environments.    The  agency  is  governed  by  the  Alaska                                                              
Governor's   Council  on  Disabilities   and  Special   Education.                                                              
Funding   is   received   as   a    low   incidence   disabilities                                                              
appropriation through  statute at a  rate of $15.75  multiplied by                                                              
the  previous year's  average  daily membership  (ADM).   He  said                                                              
there  has not  been a  funding increase  for 15  years, thus  the                                                              
proposal  for  a multiplier  of  36  percent  to come  apace  with                                                              
inflation.    An  annual  one-half   percent  per  year  inflation                                                              
increase  is  requested  for the  ensuing  eight  years  following                                                              
reauthorization.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PILLAI  said that  under AS  14.30.630(b)(1) SESA  is required                                                              
to provide  the following services:   itinerant outreach  services                                                              
to students who  are deaf, deaf-blind, mentally  retarded, hearing                                                              
impaired, blind  and visually  impaired, orthopedically  disabled,                                                              
health-impaired  in other  ways,  severely emotionally  disturbed,                                                              
and  to students  with  multiple disabilities;  special  education                                                              
instructional  support  and  training  of  local  school  district                                                              
special  education personnel;  and other  services appropriate  to                                                              
special education  needs.   The agency is  also involved  in other                                                              
services,  which   include:    operation  of  the   Alaska  Autism                                                              
Resource  Center;  facilitation  of  Bring the  Children  Home  to                                                              
repatriate  psychologically  diagnosed   children  who  have  been                                                              
residing in  facilities outside  of Alaska; administration  of the                                                              
state deaf-blind  grant; and an  indicators program to  supply the                                                              
state with data for reporting purposes.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:17:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PILLAI drew  attention to  a map  of the  state with  numbers                                                              
attached  to each  district  to  indicate students  being  served,                                                              
which  total  260.   He  provided  specific examples  of  students                                                              
being  served  by   SESA  specialists.    Additional   to  student                                                              
services, training  is also conducted to educate  teachers, with a                                                              
primary  focus is  on  rural Alaska.   He  pointed  out that  when                                                              
district's  experience   significant  staff  turnover,   the  SESA                                                              
specialist  may   hold  the  continuity  factor   of  a  student's                                                              
individual  education  program  (IEP).    Specific  SESA  services                                                              
include:     on-site   consultation  with   strategies  based   on                                                              
observation/modeling/evidence;     in-service     training     for                                                              
professional   development;   host   the  Alaska   State   Special                                                              
Education  Conference   (ASSEC);  assist  with   specific  courses                                                              
designed  and offered for  university credit;  participate  on the                                                              
Alaska  Deaf Education  Advisory  Board;  and partner  with  other                                                              
non-profit  organizations such as  Stone Soup  and the  Center for                                                              
Human Development at the University of Alaska Anchorage (UAA).                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:23:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PILLAI  directed  attention  to  an  image  provided  in  the                                                              
committee packet  illustrating the SESA  website to point  out the                                                              
user  friendly format  and  how school  districts  can access  the                                                              
necessary forms to  request agency assistance.   He then addressed                                                              
a graph  titled  "SESA FY  12 Student  Consultation by  District,"                                                              
and said it captures  only the 1:1 student work,  not professional                                                              
training,  per district.   He  said  an important  aspect of  SESA                                                              
services  is  the  combination of  evidence  based  practices  and                                                              
targeted  interventions.   A loss  of funding  will result  in the                                                              
reduction  of  these  services,  and  an  allotment  request  will                                                              
accompany  an amendment  to  the  bill when  it  comes before  the                                                              
finance committee.   He  offered other  reasons for the  necessity                                                              
of a  monetary increase,  including the  quality of  professionals                                                              
required for  staff, retention  issues, and  the ability  to offer                                                              
competitive salary/benefit packages.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:28:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS opened public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:28:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  P.  J.  FORD SLACK,  Principal,  Sitka  High  School,  stated                                                              
support  for  HB  87  and  urged  members  to  speak  with  anyone                                                              
connected with SESA  in any area of the state,  and predicted that                                                              
positive feedback will result.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:29:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  GEBHART,   Superintendent,  Nenana  City   School  District,                                                              
stated support  for HB 87  and identified  that he chairs  the 28-                                                              
member   Governor's   Council   for   Disabilities   and   Special                                                              
Education;  the governing  board  of  SESA.   He  said five  board                                                              
members handle  the direct  relationship with  the agency,  and he                                                              
reviewed  the  membership seats.    The  board supports  both  the                                                              
reauthorization  as  well  as the  proposed  funding  increase  to                                                              
$21.50  per  student,  as recommended  by  the  Legislative  Audit                                                              
report.  The capacity  of the service to bring  expertise to every                                                              
area of the state has already been illustrated, he finished.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:32:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARL  ROSE,  Executive  Director,  Association  of  Alaska  School                                                              
Boards (AASB),  commented that the  creation of special  education                                                              
was  enacted  in 1975  with  the  passage  of [Public  Law  94-142                                                              
(Education  of  All  Handicapped  Children  Act)  also  known  as,                                                              
Individuals  with   Disabilities  Education  Act   (IDEA)].    The                                                              
special education  mandate  has been altered  several times  since                                                              
it was established  and through the reauthorization  process.  The                                                              
means  for meeting  the  mandate  has remained  a  focus, and  the                                                              
original promise  of 40 percent  federal funding has yet  to reach                                                              
that level;  currently the  rate is  approximately 14-16  percent.                                                              
The mandate  is complicated  and been revisited  many times.   The                                                              
administrative burdens  have become extensive with  each reworking                                                              
and  continued  honing   of  the  law  by  advocates   of  special                                                              
education.  Reporting  is provided to the governor's  council, EED                                                              
and  the  federal  authorities,  and,  reiterating  Representative                                                              
Seaton's  sentiment,   he  said,   "If  everybody's   responsible,                                                              
nobody's   responsible."     He  said   the  extensive   reporting                                                              
generates little response  until an audit is performed.   The work                                                              
conducted  by  SESA  remains  the best  solution  to  address  the                                                              
complicated  requirements  of the  special  education mandates  in                                                              
place.    He  addressed  Representative  LeDoux's  suggestion  for                                                              
reworking the  system and  said IDEA has  taken that  approach but                                                              
the result has  been additional administrative requirements.   The                                                              
diversity of  Alaska is immense  and PL 94-142 requires  that "all                                                              
kids will get the  best bite of the apple that we  can give."  The                                                              
mandate   has  continued   to  become   more  complicated,   since                                                              
inception, and  received less attention  and funding, and  SESA is                                                              
the best possibility for meeting the requirements.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:35:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked whether there are  oversight steps                                                              
the committee should be considering.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE responded  that special  education is  a huge,  involved                                                              
issue, and  assured the committee  that SESA is handling  the bulk                                                              
of the complications.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:36:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MILLIE   RYAN,  Executive   Director,   Resources  Empowerment   &                                                              
Advocacy in  the Community  and Home, Inc.  (REACH), said  she has                                                              
served  in the  past  as a  SESA board  member,  and offered  some                                                              
history  for  how SESA  governance  came  about, adding  that  the                                                              
system has  worked fairly  well with minimal  issues.   A question                                                              
often raised  is whether SESA  duplicates intensive  needs funding                                                              
and she  said there are specific  criteria and close  oversight to                                                              
guard  against  that  happening.    Another  question  that  often                                                              
arises is whether  SESA employees are special  education teachers,                                                              
but special  education teachers  are not  specialists in  specific                                                              
areas  and  are   not  prepared  to  receive  children   with  low                                                              
incidence  disabilities.   Finally, she  said the  good work  that                                                              
SESA provides  is evident  and offered an  anecdote about  a REACH                                                              
student who benefited  and was able to maintain  a residence close                                                              
to family due to the services provided.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:41:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked what services REACH provides.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN outlined  the  range of  services  provided through  the                                                              
REACH  agency,  which  include an  infant  learning  program,  and                                                              
respite and in-home services.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  inquired  whether  REACH  works  with  the                                                              
school districts.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  RYAN  replied  yes,  very   closely  with  complimentary  and                                                              
transitional  services,  and to  a  follow-up clarified  that  the                                                              
services  are not  duplicative of  the  educational services  SESA                                                              
provides.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:44:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  JOHNSON,  Executive  Director,  Alaska  Council  of  School                                                              
Administrators,  stated  support for  HB  87 and  said  this is  a                                                              
valued, necessary  service and  districts would  be taxed  to fill                                                              
the void in the absence of SESA's expertise.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS closed public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:46:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  moved  to  adopt  the  proposed  committee                                                              
substitute (CS)  for HB 87, Version 28-LS0392\U,  Mischel, 2/8/13,                                                              
as  a working  draft.   There being  no objection,  Version U  was                                                              
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:47:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STUDLER  said the  CS  changes  begin  on  page 1,  line  10,                                                              
represented  in uppercase letters.   He  said this language  would                                                              
be  redacted to  more clearly  reflect  the actuality  of how  the                                                              
retirement system is handled.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON   clarified  the  purpose  of   the  CS  by                                                              
paraphrasing from  the language being proposed for  removal, which                                                              
read [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     THE  AMOUNT ALLOCATED  TO THE  AGENCY  SHALL BE  REDUCED                                                                   
     EACH  FISCAL  YEAR  BY THE  AMOUNT  CONTRIBUTED  BY  THE                                                                   
     DEPARTMENT  TO   THE  TEACHERS  RETIREMENT   SYSTEM  (AS                                                                   
     14.25) OR  THE PUBLIC  EMPLOYEES' RETIREMENT SYSTEM  (AS                                                                   
     39.35) ON BEHALF OF EMPLOYEES OF THE AGENCY.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  inquired whether there would  be any fiscal                                                              
impact by this action.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STUDLER stated  his understanding  that  the change  reflects                                                              
how the agency conducts  business and does not alter  funding.  He                                                              
then deferred.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PILLAI  confirmed  that the  proposed CS  does not affect  the                                                              
funding of the agency in any way.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:50:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  moved to  report CSHB  87, Version  28-                                                              
LS0392\U,  Mischel,  2/8/13,  out  of  committee  with  individual                                                              
recommendations, and the accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  objected,  and  stated  his  understanding                                                              
that one of the  intents of the bill is to remedy  the 15 years of                                                              
flat  funding,  and   noted  that  the  CS  does   not  appear  to                                                              
incorporate  that  intent.   He  expressed concern  for  continued                                                              
flat funding  of SESA and  opined that  without a fiscal  note the                                                              
state obligation  to meet  federal education  requirements  may be                                                              
in jeopardy.   He  proposed that  a [letter  of intent],  from the                                                              
committee, be  forwarded with the  bill, when it comes  before the                                                              
finance committee.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:53:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GATTIS,  hearing no objection,  announced that a  [letter of                                                              
intent] would be forwarded with HB 87.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:53:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON removed his objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:53:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:53 a.m. to 9:54 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:54:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GATTIS,  hearing  no  further   objection,  announced  that                                                              
CSHB 87(EDC)  was  reported  from  the  House  Education  Standing                                                              
Committee.                                                                                                                      

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